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Will segregation end on its own?

Do you think segregation in Metro Detroit will eventually go away on its own, without the intervention of government, business or other groups?

Yes 23% This poll has closed but your feedback is still welcome
No 76%

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Posted: Tue. Jan. 22, 2002 at 1:02 PM
From: Ian Sellers
City: Rochester, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: I grew up in Detroit and got to experience segregation and its effects firsthand.

When I was five, my parents moved from Detroit to the suburbs because they were white. My brother was beaten daily on the way home from school by a gang of black kids - because he was white. None of these parents did anything about it. They even threatened my parents repeatedly. The police were of no help. Remember - this was Coleman Young's time. White people were trash. White people were bad. Basically, we moved out of Detroit because we were white and were offered no relief for safety, even by the police department.

You can complain all you want that you are black and have been held down. You can complain about segregation all you want. The facts are that people like my parents tried to live in the city with blacks and were kicked out by them and the corrupt administration known as the Coleman Young era.

If you want someone to blame for segregation in Detroit, look no farther than Coleman Young and the anti-white rhetoric he blasted out daily. He convinced blacks that they were better and being held down. As a result, black people got the run of the city. Why would any white person in their right mind stay there?

I like all people. I don't care who they are. I just wish people would see that proclaiming that one race is better than another causes the segregation that exists in Detroit today.

Posted: Tue. Jan. 22, 2002 at 10 :02 AM
From: Philip LaRonge
City: Warren, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: I think the Detroit News is using this series on segregation to push its own pseudo-conservative claim that segregation is the problem (and one that can be ameliorated by "free-market," i.e., agressively capitalistic, forces). This is extremely disingenuous. Segregation is simply a symptom. The real problem is prejudice and the racism that prejudice brings about.

Racism is prejudice plus power. It was prejudice on the part of White Metro Detroiters that caused them to insist that everything be segregated. This caused their leaders to implement racist discriminatory measures that have become institutionalized. Its this institutional racism that is the central problem, not segregation, which is simply one of racism's many manifestations.

Lets be frank. The last thing your average White homeowner wants is people of color moving into his neighborhood in any siginificant numbers.

Ths last thing your average White parent wants is his or her child in a classroom--let alone a school--where non-White children are present in more than token numbers.

In some suburbs, certain stores or restaurants are often avoided because they attract what at least some White patrons consider to be an excessive number of Black customers.

When their constituents express prejudice, civic and political leaders try to keep their votes by implementing racist solutions. Thus in Macomb County, new subdivisions go up twenty miles beyond the Detroit city limits and are restricted to houses costing over a certain amount. A Wayne County suburb tries to build a wall along the boundary line between itself and the inner city. The Oakland County Executive fights a very feasible rapid transit proposal because county residents worry about "undesirables" from Detroit proper getting jobs in "their" workplaces, shopping in "their" stores, and, yes, living in "their" neignborhoods and attending "their" schools.

Segregation can only be eliminated by fighting prejudice and racism; and that's that. However, as long as the forces of kleptocratic Republicanism prevail--nationally, in Michigan, and in Metro Detroit--this region will remain the hypersegregated mini-Dixie it is today. That's because the GOP needs the votes of resentful white suburbanites to stay in business. People tend to vote their prejudices, and those votes are worth a lot of money to America's corporate elite. Never mind the fact that those votes have turned Congress into a rogues' gallery and elevated a mildly retarded movie actor, a parasitic Texas oilman-turned-politico, and the latter's dull, corrupt son to the Presidency.

If you're not a part of a solution, you're part of the problem. And the problem is prejudice and racism, not the segregation they bring about. And it's a problem that's only going to get worse until decent people get together and run the GOP out of of the picture for good,

Sincerely, PL

Warren, MI

Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 7:58 PM
From: Jim Sterrit
City: Williamston, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: The level of ignorance about the facts of life are amazing. From reading some of these posts from Washington D.C. you would think all you need is a white face to be set for life. Just ask good old Dad for a big interest free loan, just like that.

What a load of bs, the overwhelming majority of people who start small businesses have to get a bank loan. You will need collateral, a decent personal history, and a sound business plan. What I find lacking from so many of these posts, is any recognition of the importance of individual choices. People who choose to have children out of wedlock, sell crack cocaine and engage in other anti-social and destructive behaviors are making choices. It can be blamed on others, but that is letting the people engaged in such activities off too easy.

Blacks are going to have to deal with their own community problems before they get anywhere. Running to the suburbs from your own people is not the answer.

Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 7:19 PM
From: John Gianfermi
City: Warren, mi
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: More and more blacks are moving to the suburbs resulting in a natural integration and from what I have observed, there has been very few problems. It seems to me that when we have government and special interest groups forcing the issue, people are more apt to put up some resistence.

Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 9 :57 AM
From: G. Neroni
City: Clinton township, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: I have to wonder how many of you Liberals live in Detroit or a "mixed" nigherhood as I do ? Practice what you prech & send your children to public schools, ya sure.

Posted: Sun. Jan. 20, 2002 at 11:03 PM
From: Katrina
City: Detroit, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: Segregation will remain and even with government incentives much would remain the same. Government incentives would include breaks on homes for those people that are now at the GM building and UAW-GM HRD that would prefer not to make that journey to Oakland county or any other business that is invited by the city to build the economic base.

For me the reality is that it is my choice to live in the city of Detroit, I travel to the surburbs to work and am pleased always to return to the city. Why? I don't have to make a long journey to participate in any of the arts or theatre nor baseball and soon football. I watch the cars come into the city on the weekend with all the long lines I don't have to be in. I have always been pleased with my neighbors and neighborhood. Ironically when we had our house broke in it was not black but a white man that had worked for us. (Remember summer time and the go in the front door while you're in the backyard robbers of the surburbs in the summer-think about it) When we make statements about living conditions about someone moving into your community you show the fear you have from ignorance. How sad some people are and I for one would not want them for neighbors because you would not make good neighbors. So just keep coming in town spend your money at the whatever and make the journey back to the surburbs while I sit on my porch and watch the boats on a warm summer day and not live a stressed out life.

Posted: Fri. Jan. 18, 2002 at 11 :41 AM
From: Patricia A. Foster
City: Detroit, mi
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: Reading some of these comments make me very sad, because there is no hope indicated regarding segregation in Detroit neighbors. I'm sorry but these are the types of attitudes that are generated to our young generation.

I was raised and brought up on the west side of Detroit. The question is that do Detroiters want to improve their communities. I live near six mile and Wyoming area and there and there are a lot of vacant store front property that is not kepted up. People do not want to sell it or rent it out. Personally, if a black own business opened up in the area and made me feel welcomed , I would encourage others to go their. I just notice that most businesses that are in operation in the Detroit area, their prices are higher and they lack that "how are you glad to see and can I help you attitude". Even at the fast food restuarants this attitude is lacking. We all need to insist that we been treated in the manner mentioned above and it also goes back to how that facility is managed.

My daughter just moved to Chicago's downtown area. You can just feel the vibes as you walk down the street people are glad to be their and it is a diversed area. I can't stress this enough that it is all about attitude. If feel negative about Detroit then perhaps you just don't like the city, but all cities are what the community and people make of it. And if you don't like the city perhaps you can just keep your opinion to yourself in order to not generate your negativity to others.

Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 7:23 PM
From: marilyn brown
City: harbor city, ca
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: i graduated from cass in jan 1956 and within 2 months moved to so. calif. i have only returned to detroit 3 times in the last 45 years. my remaining family left detroit in 1966 and also moved to calif.

i was there briefly in 1971 when my grandmother died and i noticed that the city seemed to be so run down. it was hard for me to understand why the burnt out buildings weren't torn down after the riots but were left to be an eyesore. when i returned in 1976 i cried about the condition of the city where i was born.

last night i had a dream about detroit and the conditions. i don't know why, maybe it's because i will be coming back this spring. i know my heart aches for the city and the entire metropolitian community.

i have lived in an ethnically diverse community for 29 years. an area where houses are sold by blacks to whites and asians to mexicans. where we have raised our kids together and now our grandkids play together when they visit. it's also an area where young black and white families move in and adult children want to move back but they can't afford the prices.

the reputation of detroit is so bad that you don't even want to say where you're from.

Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 1:28 PM
From: C. Clinton
City: Detroit, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: No, it won't go away on its own or with anyone else's help. Having left the city of Detroit (and the entire Midwest region) for my college education and meaningful employment afterwards, I see that other areas have progressed while Detroit has been looking from behind the whole time. I don't see anything changing around this area anytime soon because that unfortunately is how people are raised and this thinking is rooted in them.

My family and friends always ask why don't I ever consider moving back home. Ha! There isn't enough money on Earth to get me to move back to Detroit, or its suburbs. The only thing that this place has done for me is it has given me negative thoughts on race. The last thing that I would ever want to do is to raise my children (if and when I ever have any) in the same environment that I came from.

That saying that says you shouldn't forget where you came from applies here. I haven't. I just don't like to remember it.

Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 11 :09 AM
From: Josephine HUYGHE
City: Detroit, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: Although Blacks provided centuries of free forced Ďslave laborí as carpenters, mechanics, blacksmiths, masons, house and field hands ó whatever and wheneveró  that helped build this nationó for over 100 years after the Civil War they remained disenfrancised and segregated from aspect ( social, educational and economic) of American life.

Nothing changed without the revolts, resistance, legal interventions, a civil war, strikes, marches. The freedoms most immigrants take for granted today , especially the arrivals since 1952, resulted from the struggles, blood, sweat and tears of black people demands for equal opportunities and respect. Our freedom was not free.

Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 10 :25 AM
From: R. Cedar
City: Center, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: After reading many of the posts on segregation over the last few days, it seems clear we are light years away from a resolution of the problem. I have always worked with black people, they are just like any other human beings, some are bad, most are fine and decent people. I don't believe that it is skin color or feelings of racial superiority that makes whites reluctant to live in communities where blacks are more than a small minority. Its simply concern over the anti-social behaviors that make it so undesirable to live in heavily black areas.

Without question there is a problem with the black underclass. Poverty does not prevent anyone from picking up litter, mowing their lawn or maintaining their home. If you have loud disruptive activities, if crime rises when blacks become the majority in a neighborhood, how can anyone expect that people of any color wish to live that way?

I worked with some very fine black ladies who told me what they paid for car insurance in the City of Detroit. How they had to keep their cars in the garage to keep them from being stolen at night. How they had to worry about the burglar bars on their windows trapping them in a fire. There are many things, like lack of economic power that may be out of the control of the black majority in the City of Detroit. But the problems of anti-social attitudes and behaviors are surely something that CAN and SHOULD be a self help project.

Until that happens, talk about ending separate living areas is just a pipe dream.

Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 8 :32 AM
From: Eric Palmer
City: Detroit, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: Why should anyone have to force segragation to end? There's nothing wrong with being amongst those that you are similar to and comfortable with. What needs to end and what needs to be forced to end is the restriction of allowance because of "forced" segragation and misunderstanding of diversity amongst similarities. It is possible for similar people to still have some differences that may be similar to "other thans."

Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 8:54 PM
From: Tamar Richardson
City: Lathrup Village, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: I believe that segregation is as American as baseball and apple pie. I also believe that American's have gotten so comfortable with it that we don't always recognize it. White's often feel that Black's are happy and content with lesser jobs and pay. White's often think Black's don't strive for the best education, jobs, etc. Many Blacks have struggled for so long only to make two steps forward and three backward. One of the biggest problems is the negative, one sided view painted by all forms of the MEDIA!

Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 2:42 PM
From: Pradeep Srivastava
City: Detroit, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: Segregation will never go away completely because that would require a change of heart that would never happen, at a large scale. However, there is a great deal that governemnts and businesses can do to minimize it. Government can provide incentives to businesses and individuals to stay in urban areas and disincentives to move to suburbs and exurbs.This will not only address the segregation issue, but also, help alleviate sprawl.

Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 12 :15 PM
From: Jim Sterrit
City: Williamston, MI
Subject: segregation_end
Comments: I grew up on the West side in a blue collar community, mostly auto workers. The residents took pride in their homes, the streets were clean, quiet and safe. When blacks began to move in, my parents stayed put, they were stubborn people and owned the home.

Within 20 years the place had become a hellhole of crime, filth and neglect. When homes became vacant they were torched. My widowed mother was forced to move out in 1975, she could not live there alone. She got $4,000 for our old family home. That is a bitter lesson that will never be repeated if I have anything to say about it.

Blacks should ask themselves why this happens when they become the majority in a neighborhood. Skin color is a bs excuse, my next door neighbor from India is very dark skinned. I value him because he is a quiet, peaceful man, whose children are well behaved, strive in school and he maintains his home. Its not racist to want to live that way, its called self preservation.


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