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Does segregation hurt Detroit's
reputation?
 Do you believe Detroit's reputation is hurt by being the
most segregated metro area in the U.S.?

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- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 7:38 PM
- From: george mihelich
- City: miami, fl
- E-mail: algorecheats@hotmail.com
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: what is
over-looked in the segregation issue is the realative racial
harmony detroit enjoys versus other city's i have lived in. one
only needs to vist georgia,maryland, or florida and there is
blatent racism everywhere.
growing up on the eastside of detroit and being white i always
thought that racism was something from the past made popular in
movies and the media. i was appaled at the mentallity of people i
have met in other cities for example the black and white hatred in
annapolis maryland is the most extreme i have ever seen.
i am proud that i was raised in a predominantly black city and
was never subject to this kind of ingnorant behavior. racism is a
disease of ingnorance and it will continue to scare our cities
untill all americans as a people of tolerance and peace will not
tolerate this tragedy of behavior that has become part of the
american culture rather than our embaressment.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 5:21 PM
- From: anthony barkley
- City: sierra vista, az
- E-mail: avbarkley@hotmail.com
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: i do agree
that segregation hurts the detroit area. i am a native detroiter
and to know that this is still going on after so many years hurts
me alot.
i have to admit that i have never had problems with individual
whites when i grew up. however, the dividing lines were very clear
in the southwest detroit area of my youth. you just didnt go into
melvindale,lincoln park,wyandotte, or dearborn without a good
reason. that usually meant DONT be there unless you were there on
business or shopping.
i was in close proximity to whites but it seemed as if our
worlds were light years apart. the most amazing thing is that i
didnt realize the racial divide was so bad until i went into the
army. the strange thing is that my parents went to school with
whites during their youth in my same detroit neighborhood and they
never had any problems that i know of. it was just normal to them.
i know the riots and coleman youngs election to mayor may have
exacerbated tensions in the detroit area, but, for this problem to
linger so long is simply ridiculous. young is dead and detroit
hasnt had riots in 34 years. i hope things will one day improve.
as for me, i now live in southern arizona which is one of least
segregated places in america. my white wife is a native
michigander from the frankenmuth-birch run area and we have
decided that this is the best place to raise our son. people live
very harmoniously here regardless of race. and although i have
fond memories and a deep love for the detroit metro area i dont
think i could ever live there again.
ANTHONY BARKLEY
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 4:44 PM
- From: S. Roehm
- City: St.Clair Shores, Mi
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: To blame
segregation for the ills of Detroit is a red herrring and the News
Reporters writing the series are skirting some important issues by
relying on the social engieers.The latter and probably politicians
don't set an example by moving into the city.
Let people live where they want,racially mixed or otherwise.We
moved from the city in 1957 because that was the thing to do for
young couples who could afford it,at that time the city was mostly
white.Only after the 1967 riots whites,young and old started to
leave in droves and nobody should wonder why!!
The Leadership of Detroit in past decades tried to revive the
city with dowtown projects and now with stadiums ,casinos
etc.,well,unless the neighborhoods , streets,services are brought
up to the Worldclass standards (touted by Ex-Mayor Archer)the city
will not get ahead.
Another big problem is the race baitng and blame game by the
black leadership for all sorts ills in the community .Don't blame
whites for the family breakdowns,crime and run down
neighborhoods,the city had now for decades black leadership?
In reading these articles in the series one can get the
impression that unless there is integration in housing and in the
student body to a great degree, blacks are left behind,that would
be a rather sad admission.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 4:27 PM
- From: MARGARET THOMPSON
- City: WARREN, MI
- E-mail: MT59_2000_2000@YAHOO.COM
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: I BELIEVE THE
BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE DETROIT COMMUNITIES IS THE LACK OF PRIDE
AND THE FURTHER NEGLECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. IN THE COMMUNITIES
THAT HAVE BLOCK COMMITTIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT - YOU CAN
SEE THE EVIDENCE OF PRIDE.
FURTHER - THE LACK OF PROPER CITY SERVICES IS FURTHER EVIDENCE
OF BLIGHT. IN NO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I KNOW OF - ARE CITIZENS
ALLOWED TO JUST DUMP TRASH HAPHAZARDLY IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES AND
EXPECT THE CITY TRASH COLLECTORS TO CLEAN IT UP. HOMEOWNERS NEED
TO BE FINED IF IT IS EVIDENT THAT THEY ARE NOT MAINTAINING THEIR
HOMES PROPERLY.
IN ADDITION, IN SO FAR AS EDUCATION GOES, WHEN PARENTS BECOME
INVOLVED - CHANGES BECOME APPARENT. WHAT RESPONSIBLE PARENT WOULD
SIT DOWN AND NOT TAKE SOME ACTION TO HELP PROMOTE CHANGES IN THE
SCHOOLS THEIR CHILDREN ATTEND. PARENTS MUST BE PRO-ACTIVE AND KNOW
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THESE SCHOOLS - RATHER THAN TAKE THE APPROACH
THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT. TO OFTEN - YOU PARENTS ARE NOT HEARD
FROM UNLESS THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND OFTEN IT IS TO LITTLE TO
LATE.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 1:54 PM
- From: Lisa Smith
- City: macomb, MI
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: I read all
the comments. Blacks blame "white flight." Whites blame "black
attitudes & actions." So much time is spent on pointing a
finger in the other direction, it is disgusting. Any fool can
point a finger.
I'd like to hear from someone who can offer direction on
solving the problems. I personally just feel that black or white,
we are all on the same team so let's start acting like it and quit
pointing fingers. That gets us nowhere.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 1:52 PM
- From: r glowacki
- City: sterlinghgts, mi
- E-mail: mglowacki6@home
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: I lived in
hamtramck when it was Polish. Don't make this a black/white issue,
people want to live with those like themselves, just like Arabs in
dearborn, Pakastanis in Hamtramck. Your making way to much out of
this and creating animosity between two races, stop this type of
reporting we don't need more problems.
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 12 :28 PM
- From: Dan
- City: Groose Ile, MI
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: Thank you
WDIV and The Detroit News for your hideous "special report" on
segregation. You make this sound like 1950's Alabama. Reports like
this from the liberal left do nothing but stir up racial tensions
that otherwise would not exist.
Racisim would be marginalized if the media would stop creating
it and fanning it's evil flames. People will live where they want
and/or can afford. /rant
- Posted: Mon. Jan. 21, 2002 at 9 :40 AM
- From: G. Neroni
- City: Clinton Township, MI
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: By asking
this question it only shows how out of touch you race baiters are.
Please quit beating the race drum & let us all get along.
Detroit because of it's crime & sensless violence is known
thougout the US for what it is. Just remember it's the only large
city in the US without a shopping district.
- Posted: Sun. Jan. 20, 2002 at 10:03 PM
- From: Katrina M. Dixon
- City: Detroit,
- E-mail: kat4kids@aol.com
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: It hurts from
the focus of those wanting to move into a community that will
enable a family to have variety of people for their children to
grow up with or for themselves to interact with. We do recognize
that even in Detroit there are pockets of neighborhoods with a
mutltiple of races. I have to say I have lived in two communities
since coming to Detroit in 1978 and both have been
multiethnic.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 11:00 PM
- From: David R. Robillard
- City: Plymouth, Mi
- E-mail: drobilla@ford.com
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: Absolutley
segregation has hurt Detroit and it continues to do so, but
segregation in the Metro Detroit area is not solely based on
color. We have always had communities that have been labeled as
desirable or undesirable for reasons other than color. Oak Park
and then Southfield were know as Jewish neighborhoods,Hamtramck
was Polish and Taylor has been characterized as a "hillbilly" low
income area. It is this type of profiling that has steered
families to live where they do.
Most of the reasons are based on economics(housing costs and
resale value) and education(quality of schools) but can be
drastically affected by a lack of security(crime rates).
The real tragedy of Detroit is the death of the downtown
shopping and business district. This has been blamed on race and
on the development of suburban malls and many other issues but the
bottom line is that once it started it didn't stop. The present
perception is that Detroit is a city of crime, poverty and racial
turmoil and that profile has crippled the city and hinders future
development.The residents of the surrounding communities have
divorced themselves from the city and feel that their future isn't
tied to Detroit. They don't feel the need to support a dying urban
area. Why downtown Detroit's fate should be so different than say
downtown Chicago or even downtown Windsor is a mystery to me. I
hope that your articles can shed some light on this very difficult
subject. The future of this city and the metro area could very
well depend on it.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 1:03 PM
- From: Joseph T. Curley
- City: Warren, Mi
- E-mail: joetcurley@aol.cm
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: Detroit is a
city not a human being when you use a term like reputation it only
confuses things. Like the movive whre they said if you build it
they will come. Detroit's limitatons are material.People will
support certain realities,not images. If we really visiable
changes in the cisty nost just wishes and word games. Take down
town for insstance, you can have a fewe nice things but they are
spoiled by mix of decay that is between the nice things.And if you
are there ast nlight say on the roof of Cobo Hall you feel a sense
of danger.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 9 :23 AM
- From: Thom Sullivan
- City: Columbus, OH
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: The big thing
on Detroit is who's kidding who, it's crime! Whites flee the black
crime areas. I lived in Warren MI. in the 1970's and we had
nothing in way of crime as compaired to Detroit. I never even
drove thru Detroit if I could help it, should one get a flat tire,
or vehicle trouble your life is in danger. Today I by-pass Detroit
thru I-275 and I-675 loop when I visit, it's a longer trip, but
safer. Black areas always seem to have that crime trouble, even
black areas here in Columbus, Ohio. That's why whites keep away
and the areas get segregated.
- Posted: Wed. Jan. 16, 2002 at 8 :03 AM
- From: Eric Palmer
- City: Detroit, MI
- E-mail: elpalmer@prodigy.net
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: I don't think
Detroit's reputation is hurt just because it is segregated.
There's nothing wrong with segregation. We are all different in
ethnic and racial make up, but amongst each make up we have
similarities. Why must it be a problem when the similarities are
grouped together. I think Detroit's reputation has been hurt
because the racist perception, that still exist in the world
today, attempts to connect the city's problems of the last 50-60
years to the fact that the city's African American population has
grown and, under Coleman Young, became one of the largest US major
cities with the majority of the population African American.
Business exodus and white flight started in the 1940's in Detroit.
A time period when the African American population started to
escalate. A time period when society and the establishment wanted
nothing to do with the African American and considered them
trouble.
- Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 11:37 PM
- From: Mr. M
- City: River Rouge, MI
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: Detroit's
reputation isn't being hurt more than it already is by being
considered the most segregated metro area. In the minds of many,
it is still considered to be the most dangerous city in the
country. Not really great for the reputation, but they're issues
that the mayors of the region can attempt to confront together.
Now to comment on comments made in an earlier post. I believe
it said something in regards to black colleges, black history
museums, and groups like the NAACP. These organizations and
institutions were established so that black people would have a
chance to receive the education that their home states and public
institutions denied. The NAACP came into existence to protect
blacks from violence inflicted on them by whites throughout the
country. The African-American museums were established for what
was felt as an oversight by historians and other museums.
It would be easy to say that these institutions serve no
further purpose, but that is totally untrue. The NAACP survives
because racism survives. When a man can be dragged behind a truck
in Texas and a band in Livonia can record racist music, there is
still work to be done. Black colleges and universities survive,
but no longer under that name. Historically black colleges and
universities were established to educate black students(hence the
name), students of all races now join them at these
institutions(hispanic, asian, WHITE, etc.). African American
history museums help to shed light onto more than just the highly
noted blacks throughout history.
I've seen some post that state that Detroit has nothing to
offer people that would like to move back into the city. First, if
anyone wants to move back, do so. Someone stated that there's no
mall or department store in the city. Personally, I feel that
"white flight" is the culprit; the people with control of these
businesses took their businesses with them to the suburbs, leaving
the mostly black city's residents to try to establish these things
with little or no money. We all know how far people with ideas and
no money get and we know what they do to get it. So now we get to
the present where the city has crime (just like every big city)
where people are just trying to survive. No, I don't condone
criminal activity for any reason, but I don't think that certain
people (Kimberly) should assume that every black man is going to
harm her due to events that occured years ago. If it's true, I
feel very sorry. However, just remember where statements like that
led in Detroit's past(1943, 1967). What would she assume if I, a
black man, approached her? Probably, that I am a criminal. I would
be insulted; I'm a college student at a black college (second
behind my brother in our class) and I've never been arrested. Poor
blacks aren't the only ones that commit crimes. Poor whites, poor
hispanics, poor asians (not all of them work diligently in school)
also rob, rape, and murder. Their moving into a city will decrease
the quality of life just as quickly.
"Judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of
their character." We know who said that. Stereotypical thinking is
the root of racism. The only way to determine a person's character
is by their actions or their statements. Speak to people. That
will bring Metro Detroit and the rest of the country closer to
understanding each other and mark the death of segregation
throughout the area.
- Posted: Tue. Jan. 15, 2002 at 11:32 PM
- From: John Beam
- City: Lansing, MI
- E-mail: yohannbiimu@yahoo.com
- Subject: Segregation_reputation
- Comments: I'm not sure
if Detroit's reputation is hurt all that much, as I do not think
people who live outside of Detroit give it much thought one way or
another. Even politicians in Washington, DC needn't bother giving
Michigan's largest city any consideration.
Why should they? I mean, 95% or more of the city is going to
vote Democratic no matter who the candidate is, so it is
essentially a one-party block. People who represent the Detroit
area can help pass legislation that hurts their constituency, but
whether they do or not doesn't matter. Their seats are safe for
life.
For so long, the "Detroit" pro sports teams have been either
playing outside the city limits, or have only attracted people
from the suburbs, so that people do not really have very much
attachment with these teams and the city.
One person was blaming Detroit's problems on the people moving
out of the city? Well, cry me a river! If I were living someplace
where I was awakened all hours of the night with either police or
firefighter sirens going off, and nothing but news of bloodshed
and mayhem, I'd move too! I'd be a fool not to.
Perhaps a measure of Detroit's irrelivancy to those outside of
the city is due to the fact that nothing ever changes there.
Crime, horrendous schools, more crime, putrid downtown area, and
yet more crime has been the norm in Detroit for as long as I've
been alive.
People who want to live in conditions like these are welcome to
live there. It has nothing to do with whether people are trying to
segrigate themselves. The facts are that Detroit is a terrible
place to raise a family. If you do not care about raising a family
in an atmosphere where your children can be relatively safe, and
they can grow up to be contributing members of a civil society,
then you will stay in your crime-ridden, uneducated, backward
neighborhoods and watch everyone rot.
I cannot imagine living in such a place myself. It has nothing
to do with people being black or white. It has everything to do
with people living in fear. Why else would people feel like they
have to live in reletively all-white and all-black neighborhoods?
It is a fear borne out of ignorance and hate that drives a wedge
between people.
Anyway, perhaps the "right" answer would be to say that
Detroit's reputation is damaged by all of this, but I truly do not
think people ever give the city of Detroit any thought one way or
another. If the entire city were to collapse into the salt mines
beneath it, nobody would miss it.
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